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The ‘Mechanical properties of a carbonate sand from a dredged hydraulic fill’ (Giretti et al., 2018a) together with its companion paper ‘CPT calibration and analysis for a carbonate sand’ (Giretti et al., 2018b) are valuable because there are limited data in the literature on biogenic carbonate sands. ‘Compression of granular materials’ by Mesri & Vardhanabhuti (2009) includes some data on carbonate sands. In laterally constrained compression or isotropic compression, carbonate sands display a type C void ratio against effective stress behaviour for which significant level I and level II particle damage begin at low effective stresses and continue with or without gradual level III particle damage at higher stresses. Level I particle damage includes abrasion or grinding of particle surface asperities, level II particle damage includes breaking or crushing of particle surface protrusions and sharp particle corners and edges, and level III particle damage includes fracturing, splitting or shattering of particles.

The void ratio  plotted against effective stress relationships of most space-lattice silicate sands displays three distinct stages of compression. During the first stage, small particle movements further engage particle surface roughness and enhance interparticle locking. There is minor to small level I and level II particle damage; however, improved locking dominates over unlocking effects and M = Δσvεv increases with the increase in σv. The second compression stage begins with level III particle damage by the fracturing of the heavily loaded particles and collapse of the load-bearing aggregate framework. Particle fracturing unlocks the aggregate framework, allowing larger interparticle movements and M begins to decrease with an increase in σv (see, for examples, Figs 2 and 22 in the paper by Mesri & Vardhanabhuti (2009)). The first inflection point in the e plotted against σv relationship marks the beginning of the second stage at an effective vertical stress (σv)Mmax, and a second inflection point at (σv)Mmin marks the end at which major particle fracturing and splitting are substantially complete. In the void ratio plotted against logarithm of effective stress relationship of most sands, it is possible to identify a point of maximum curvature at (σv)MC (see, for example, Figs 2 and 22 in the paper by Mesri & Vardhanabhuti (2009)).

Because in type C void ratio plotted against effective stress compression behaviour, significant level I and level II particle damage begin early at low effective stresses and continue with or without gradual level III particle damage at high stresses, the void ratio against effective stress relationship, such as that in Fig. 18(b) for M1 carbonate sand (from Fig. 3 of Giretti et al. (2018a)), does not display three distinct stages of compression. However, for some carbonate sands examined by Mesri & Vardhanabhuti (2009), it was possible to extract values of (σv)MC, (σv)Mmax and (σv)Mmin, leading to (σv)Mmax=067(σv)MC and (σv)Mmin=20(σv)MC. In Fig. 18(a), a value of (σv)MC=1MPa was selected for M1 carbonate sand, and the values of (σv)Mmax and (σv)Mmin were computed only for reference, as it is not possible to identify them on Fig. 18(b). A main difference between the compression behaviour of carbonate sands as compared to that of silicate sands, is that, for the data examined by Mesri & Vardhanabhuti (2009), for carbonate sands the values of (σv)MC are in the range of 0·4–2 MPa, whereas for silicate sands, they are in the range of 4–40 MPa (Fig. 21 of Mesri & Vardhanabhuti (2009)).

Fig. 18.

Void ratio plotted against logarithm of σv and void ratio plotted against σv for M1 carbonate sand; (σv)Mmaxand(σv)Mmin computed using (σv)Mmax/(σv)MC=067 and (σv)Mmin/(σv)MC=20; values of Cc = Δe/Δlog σv mentioned in the paper by Giretti et al. (2018a) are marked for reference

Fig. 18.

Void ratio plotted against logarithm of σv and void ratio plotted against σv for M1 carbonate sand; (σv)Mmaxand(σv)Mmin computed using (σv)Mmax/(σv)MC=067 and (σv)Mmin/(σv)MC=20; values of Cc = Δe/Δlog σv mentioned in the paper by Giretti et al. (2018a) are marked for reference

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According to cone penetration tests in calibration chambers, and interpretation by Houlsby & Hitchman (1988), for silicate sands, cone tip resistance, qt, is governed primarily by effective horizontal stress, σh, according to

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in which pa is atmospheric pressure, and parameter A had values of 50, 160 and 230, respectively, for loose, medium and dense silicate sands.

Based on the K0 versus σv measurements in Fig. 12, the authors selected an average value of K0 = 0·5 for the M1 carbonate sand with void ratio in the range of 0·58–0·89. Because σh, and thus K0 as a function of void ratio, is a significant factor in cone tip resistance according to equation (6), in Fig. 19 the K0 values from Fig. 12 have been plotted for the M1 carbonate sand against void ratio. The extrapolation, in Fig. 19, of the data to initial void ratio of M1 carbonate sand (Fig. 3, M1 small oedometer) leads to a K0 = 0·36. According to Mesri & Hayat (1993), the Jaky (1948) equation for K0p is

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which together with ϕcv=403deg leads to K0p = 0·36. Note that for Mexico City clay with poriferous diatom shells, ϕcv=43deg and measured K0p = 0·30 (Mesri et al., 1975; Mesri & Hayat, 1993). For comparison with behaviour of the M1 carbonate sand, Fig. 20 shows K0 plotted against void ratio for three silicate sands which were densified by vibration (Mesri & Vardhanabhuti, 2007).

The discussers have interpreted, and shown in Table 3, the cone tip resistance, qt, in dry M1 sand in Fig. 12, of Giretti et al. (2018b) using equation (6) together with K0 in Fig. 19. The computed values of parameter A, ranging from an average value 110 at e = 0·823 to 259 at e = 0·666, are plotted in Fig. 19. Values of ϕtc for the M1 carbonate sand have also been computed, as listed in Table 3, by means of the empirical equation reported by Houlsby & Hitchman (1988) for silicate sands

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where Nh = qt/σh. Most of the computed magnitudes of ϕtc, only several degrees higher than ϕcv=403deg, are reasonable because the highly crushable calcium carbonate particles cannot mobilise significant dilatant geometrical interference beyond ϕcv=403deg. However, for one qt measurement at e = 0·727 and four qt measurements at e = 0·823, the computed values of ϕtc are actually smaller than ϕcv=403deg. Apparently, for these combinations of void ratio and effective stress condition in M1 carbonate sand with crushable particles, the ϕp component of friction angle resulting from interparticle interference during shear is smaller than the magnitude mobilised at a constant volume shearing condition (Terzaghi et al., 1996).

Table 3.

Interpretation of cone tip resistance measured in dry M1 carbonate sand in Fig. 12 of Giretti et al. (2018b) by equation (6) together with K0 in Fig. 19 

qt: MPaσv: kPaσh: kPaANhϕtc: degrees
e = 0·666    
 17·594·651·5261340·645·4
 21·4129·970·7264303·144·7
 24·2153·983·8269288·844·4
 26·4193·4105·3256250·843·5
 27·7224·5122·2246227·042·9
e = 0·708    
 15·991·848·7245326·545·2
 17·1116·561·9229277·244·2
 20·0136·272·3243276·444·1
 22·1173·692·2232239·343·2
 22·0199·1105·7213208·342·4
 21·0221·6117·7190178·341·4
 22·6254·1135·0189167·541·0
e = 0·714    
 12·584·044·4204281·644·3
 14·1108·057·1197246·643·4
 17·0127·867·6216252·243·6
 19·2148·278·4222245·043·4
 20·9176·593·4218223·742·8
 21·9201·2106·4211205·542·3
 20·9220·9116·9191179·141·4
 22·6255·5135·2189167·341·0
 25·2273·2144·5202174·541·3
e = 0·727    
 9·676·240·0166239·043·2
 10·798·151·5159207·742·4
 13·7133·470·0170196·442·0
 15·8151·379·3181198·942·1
 16·9164·586·3184195·542·0
 17·6180·994·9181185·041·6
 18·3187·598·3185186·541·7
 18·2232·2121·8161149·240·3
 19·7266·6139·8161140·839·9
e = 0·823    
 7·288·242·8119167·741·0
 8·0118·857·6111138·839·8
 8·9142·869·3111128·239·3
 9·9183·889·1106111·138·4
 11·1218·6106·0107104·238·0
 12·1253·9123·110798·337·7

Values of ϕtc were estimated using equation (8).

The authors thank the discussion contributors for their very interesting observations, which provided the possibility of further analysing some aspects of the mechanical behaviour of carbonate sands.

Fig. 19.

Relationships between K0 and parameter A with void ratio for M1 carbonate sand

Fig. 19.

Relationships between K0 and parameter A with void ratio for M1 carbonate sand

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Fig. 20.

Relationship between K0 and void ratio for three silicate sands densified by vibration

Fig. 20.

Relationship between K0 and void ratio for three silicate sands densified by vibration

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The authors acknowledge the observation that M1 sand shows a type C void ratio–effective stress behaviour, with a progressive increase of the constrained modulus M.

As to the interpretation of the centrifuge cone penetration tests (CPTs) on M1, the basic concept of the authors’ analysis is that both the stress-dilatancy behaviour and the normalised cone resistance of M1 sand depend on the state parameter ψ.

This is shown

  • (a)

    in Fig. 8 of Giretti et al. (2018a) where the peak shearing resistance angle is plotted against ψ; the trend ϕtcψ can be expressed with a linear function a

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    where ϕcs = 40·3° is M1 shearing resistance angle at critical state and a = 25·5 is the function slope.
  • (b)

    in Figs 16–18 of Giretti et al. (2018b), where the normalised cone resistance Qp = (qt − p)/p′ is plotted against ψ; an exponential function has been adopted to interpret the experimental trend

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    where k and m are calibration coefficients whose values are 42 and 5·1 for dry M1 sand and 35 and 5·1 for saturated M1 sand.

From the data in Table 3, ϕtc has been recomputed according to equations (9) and (10). The recomputed values are listed in Table 4; they are slightly larger than ϕcs in the looser sample, up to 9° higher than ϕcs in the denser sample.

Table 4.

Peak shear angle from CPTs in dry M1 sand

Giretti et al. (2018a) Contribution by Mesri and Kane (Table 3)Authors' reply
qt: MPaσv: kPaσh: kPaANhϕtc: degreesp′: kPaQpψϕtc: degrees
e = 0·666         
 17·594·651·5261340·645·465·87264·69−0·3649·5
 21·4129·970·7264303·144·790·43235·64−0·3448·9
 24·2153·983·8269288·844·4107·17224·82−0·3348·7
 26·4193·4105·3256250·843·5134·67195·04−0·3048·0
 27·7224·5122·224622742·9156·30176·22−0·2847·5
e = 0·708         
 15·991·848·7245326·545·263·07251·11−0·3549·3
 17·1116·561·9229277·244·280·10212·48−0·3248·4
 20136·272·3243276·444·193·60212·68−0·3248·4
 22·1173·692·2232239·343·2119·33184·20−0·2947·7
 22199·1105·7213208·342·4136·83159·78−0·2647·0
 21221·6117·7190178·341·4152·33136·86−0·2346·2
 22·6254·1135189167·541174·70128·36−0·2245·9
e = 0·714         
 12·58444·4204281·644·357·60216·01−0·3248·5
 14·110857·1197246·643·474·07189·37−0·3047·8
 17127·867·6216252·243·687·67192·92−0·3047·9
 19·2148·278·422224543·4101·67187·85−0·2947·8
 20·9176·593·4218223·742·8121·10171·58−0·2847·3
 21·9201·2106·4211205·542·3138·00157·70−0·2646·9
 20·9220·9116·9191179·141·4151·57136·89−0·2346·2
 22·6255·5135·2189167·341175·30127·92−0·2245·9
 25·2273·2144·5202174·541·3187·40133·47−0·2346·1
e = 0·727         
 9·676·24016623943·252·07183·38−0·2947·7
 10·798·151·5159207·742·467·03158·62−0·2647·0
 13·7133·470170196·44291·13149·33−0·2546·7
 15·8151·379·3181198·942·1103·30151·95−0·2546·7
 16·9164·586·3184195·542112·37149·40−0·2546·7
 17·6180·994·918118541·6123·57141·43−0·2446·4
 18·3187·598·3185186·541·7128·03141·93−0·2446·4
 18·2232·2121·8161149·240·3158·60113·75−0·2045·3
 19·7266·6139·8161140·839·9182·07107·20−0·1845·0
e = 0·823         
 7·288·242·8119167·74157·93123·28−0·2145·7
 8118·857·6111138·839·878·00101·56−0·1744·7
 8·9142·869·3111128·239·393·8093·88−0·1644·3
 9·9183·889·1106111·138·4120·6781·04−0·1343·6
 11·1218·6106107104·238143·5376·33−0·1243·3
 12·1253·9123·110798·337·7166·7071·59−0·1043·0

The difference between the ϕtc values computed by the contributors and the authors’ estimation could be due to the value of the constants Q and R of the stress-dilatancy model of Bolton (1986), on which the Houlsby & Hitchman (1988)qt/σh − ϕtc equation is based – constants which were calibrated for silica sand. According to the Bolton (1986) model, Q is a particle strength parameter equal to 10 for quartz sands and R is normally assumed as equal to 1.

In Fig. 21 the difference ϕtc − ϕcs computed for M1 sand is represented as a function of the relative density Dr (data from Fig. 8 in the paper by Giretti et al. (2018a)); in the figure, the Bolton equation, reported below, is also represented as a solid line.

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Fig. 21.

Difference between peak shear resistance angles and critical state angle as a function of the relative density Dr for M1 sand

Fig. 21.

Difference between peak shear resistance angles and critical state angle as a function of the relative density Dr for M1 sand

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A very poor correlation for M1 sand can be observed.

A second point to be considered is that normally consolidated (NC) M1 sand has shown a clear dependence of the cone tip resistance qt on the vertical effective stress σv, as shown by Giretti et al. (2018b) in Figs 11–15. Similar behaviour has been observed by Fioravante & Giretti (2016) from centrifuge CPTs carried out in NC Ticino and Toyoura silica sands.

Jamiolkowski et al. (2003), analysing a very large dataset of calibration chamber CPTs in Ticino, Toyoura and Hokksund silica sands, observed that the cone penetration resistance depends on the vertical σv in the case of NC sands, and the horizontal stress σh plays a major role in the case of overconsolidated sands.

Recognising the importance of the horizontal stress on the cone resistance, the authors have selected the stress invariant p′ for the computation of a normalised qt.

To check and verify whether the stress-dilatancy behaviour observed for M1 is consistent with the mechanical behaviour of other carbonate sands, the authors have interpreted a series of unpublished laboratory and centrifuge tests available for Quiou sand (QS), performed at Istituto Sperimentale Modelli e Strutture (ISMES; Italy) in the 1990s.

QS is a skeletal carbonatic sand of biogenic origin (Fioravante et al., 1994, 1998; Porcino et al., 2008; Mesri & Vardhanabhuti, 2009).

Among the triaxial tests available for QS, Fig. 22 shows the results of selected tests which reached the critical state and allowed the definition of the QS critical state line in ep′ and qp′ planes. QS has the same ϕcs as M1 and quite similar compressibility characteristics.

Fig. 22.

Triaxial tests on QS and critical state line

Fig. 22.

Triaxial tests on QS and critical state line

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Figure 23 shows the peak shear angle ϕtc achieved in drained tests on QS as a function of the state parameter ψ at the end of consolidation. As for M1 sand, a linear relationship (equation (9)) can be used to interpolate the experimental data and the slope of the function is a = 49·5.

Fig. 23.

QS peak shear angle ϕtc as a function of the state parameter ψ

Fig. 23.

QS peak shear angle ϕtc as a function of the state parameter ψ

Close modal

Seven qtσv profiles measured on normally consolidated centrifuge models of dry QS are reported on Fig. 24. The samples have an average void ratio e = 0·96 and e = 0·87 and have been tested at a centrifugal acceleration of 30g and 80g. As for M1 sand, the qt profiles have been normalised against p′ and plotted against ψ in Fig. 25. Also for QS an exponential function can be adopted to fit the experimental trends and the m and k parameters of equation (10) are 4·1 and 61, respectively.

Fig. 24.

Centrifuge CPTs on dry NC QS

Fig. 24.

Centrifuge CPTs on dry NC QS

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Fig. 25.

State parameter interpretation of centrifuge tests on dry NC QS

Fig. 25.

State parameter interpretation of centrifuge tests on dry NC QS

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Following the same procedure as M1, equations (9) and (10) have been combined to derive the peak resistance angles as a function of Qp (see Fig. 26).

Fig. 26.

Peak shear angle inferred from centrifuge CPTs on dry NC QS

Fig. 26.

Peak shear angle inferred from centrifuge CPTs on dry NC QS

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In conclusion, the state parameter ψ appears to be a useful independent state indicator to interpret the mechanical behaviour of carbonate sands.

A

parameter in equation (6)

a

fitting parameter of equation (9)

Cc

compression index, Δe/Δlog σv

Cu

uniformity coefficient, D60/D10

D10

grain size at which 10% is finer

D50

mean grain size

D60

grain size at which 60% is finer

Dr

relative density

e

void ratio

K0

coefficient of earth pressure at rest

K0p

coefficient of earth pressure at rest in normally consolidated young loose sands

k

fitting parameter of equation (10)

M

tangent constrained modulus, Δσvεv

Mmax

tangent constrained modulus at the first inflection point of σv plotted against εv

Mmin

tangent constrained modulus at the second inflection point of σv plotted against εv

m

fitting parameter of equation (10)

Nh

qt/σh, used in equation (8).

Pa

atmospheric pressure

p

mean total stress

p

mean effective stress

Q

fitting parameter of equation (11)

Qp

normalised cone resistance

qt

cone penetration test cone resistance

R

fitting parameter of equation (11)

εv

vertical strain; volumetric strain

σh

horizontal effective stress

σv

vertical effective stress

(σv)Mmax

effective vertical stress at the yield point, defined at the first inflection point of e plotted against σvMmax

(σv)Mmin

effective vertical stress at the yield point, defined at the second inflection point of e plotted against σv, defining the end the second stage of compression.

(σv)MC

effective vertical stress at the yield point, defined at the point of maximum curvature of e plotted against σv

ϕcs

shearing resistance angle at critical state

ϕcv

constant volume friction angle

ϕp

component of friction angle resulting from interparticle interference during shear

ϕtc

effective stress friction angle mobilised in triaxial compression

ψ

state parameter

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