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Dear Sir, The reply (in Vol. 10, No. 2, 1984) from Messrs P. M. Smith and R. Rolff to my correspondence regarding Mr Smith's paper ‘A New Method of Testing the Ductility of Electroplated Foil’ in your February 1983 issue cannot stand without a further retort from me. Nothing that was advanced in their reply changes the points made in my initial letter.